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June 15, 2008


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Mr. Stop Boris

Does the new one look anything like this?



Dave  Hill

Stop it, Mr Stop Boris! You're giving me ideas...


Maybe Mayor Johnson has a different way of solving the problem of racism than you have.

Your way and Ken's, (and I know from the bottom of my heart that your motives are of the best) is to continually say how much you oppose it, and to use the word "racism" continually to remind people of the seriousness of the problem.

His way is to never mention the word "racism" acting on the assumption that we all get on and it is all working out. In other words, if you behave in a way that there is no problem, soon there isn't. A problem, I mean.

Continually using the word "racism" and similar words reinforces our cultural differences. Talking about the problem increases the problem. If we stopped doing that, and lived our lives coming from the view that there isn't a problem, people would forget about it, and just treat each other as individuals.

Dave, you must believe me that if there is one thing that makes me see red and absolutely flip it is racist behaviour. However, I do totally agree with Boris Johnson on this (I am assuming he shares my attitude, but I am pretty sure I am right), it is a case of least said soonest mended and the only way the poison of racism will ever heal is if we place a total embargo on words like "racism" in fact I would make it illegal to utter the word.


ps. On the other hand, if I hear anyone saying something racially abusive to someone else who cannot cope with it themselves, I speak up in strongest possible terms. Even if they can cope, I give them support. Apart from those sort of situations, it is my strong belief that we should cease to mention racism altogether. It only upsets people.


Dave - Certainly a fair question to ask why the change, but I think it's also fair to put it in context - the exact name by which it is referred to has changed every year as far as I can tell.

2008 - Rise 2008
2007 - Rise: London United Against Racism (http://web.archive.org/web/20070829021323/www.london.gov.uk/rise/festival/_
2006 - Rise: London United (http://web.archive.org/web/20060629112903/http://www.risefestival.org/)
2005 - Rise 2005 (http://web.archive.org/web/20050716000521/http://www.risefestival.org/)
And before that, I think, "Respect".


Although saying that, of course it's a more than valid point to make that as this has historically supposed to have been an anti-racism event, it's odd that there's no mention at all of it on the website or on the draft poster you have seen.

I noticed Unison are supporting it. I wonder if they will still be keen to support if it is being promosted as *just* a free music event without the strong anti racism theme.

Tory Troll

Is the poster similar to the website?


If so, then Mr Barnbrook will be pleased, given his written question to Boris this week.

On the other hand, maybe it has been re-branded to prevent any offence to London's racists. Perhaps the names of other anti-racist events and groups could be similarly tweaked to avoid offending this important minority community. 'Love Music, Hate Nastiness' for example, or 'Unite against Rudeness'.

Maybe if we just don't mention the 'r' word or the 'f' word then we can just pretend that they don't exist. This approach could be most effective of course and has the potential to be rolled out to all areas of London government. 'Least said, soonest mended' could be equally applied to building Routemasters, providing affordable housing, and cutting down on congestion. If we just don't talk about them, or look at them, or think about them, then maybe they will just go away.


Adam, Mr. Tory Troll, that is not what I meant. I made a point of saying that when we encounter racism, we should immediately do something about it, in the strongest possible way.

I just meant we don't have to go looking for trouble, and eventually we all do aspire to a society where racism will be erased. To achieve that involves a certain amount of forgiveness, and involves drawing a line under the pain of the past. that forgiveness is very hard to do if you have been the wronged party, but eventually it is the only way to move forward.

Say your wife cheated on you, but you still loved her and wanted to make your marriage work. Wouldn't it be better to decide to forget about the painful matter, never mention it and put it behind you? obviously if she was still making a habit of it, I am not suggesting you should adopt the least said soonest mended approach.

Oh God, this is such a serious subject and I hope I am not making it worse. All I can say is I have worked in an environment where there was every different race you could possibly think of and as long as we never mentioned the "r" word, we all got on great.

As soon as that word reared its ugly head, everyone got worked up and it was the kiss of death to harmony.


Adam, then again, you could hold an Anti Infidelity Festival and drag your wife along. It wouldn't do much for your marriage, but you would have made the point that you were against infidelity.


Perhaps Boris thinks that things like this don't actually do what they say on the tin.

Because let's face it, they don't. Just because some Islington luvvies or Hoxton media types called Jemima pop on their pashminas and head down to the nearest anti-racism concert in Finsbury Park or Vicky Park, and listen to some really fabbo world music, yeah, and feel a little less guilty about the colour of their skin because they've seen a black face for the first time since they went to that bijou little boutique in Camden Market - it doesn't really make Richard Barnbrook quake in his boots.

Indeed the whole advertisement that this sort of thing gets, and the sort of people who go - "every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, vegetarian, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure' quack, pacifist and feminist in England" as Orwell said - really get up the backs of the white working-class in East London, and make them even more determined to stick two fingers up to their cloistered, pompous and self-righteous "anti-racism".

There are 101 better ways of fighting racism than this smug left-fest which only exacerbates the problem.

Juvenile Dwarf

"...really get up the backs of the white working-class in East London..."

Erm, apart from all the ones who turned up to the Love Music Hate Racism festival, you mean? You haven't actually got a clue about the "white working class" in East London, have you? As if 100,000 Islington luvvies could be found to fill a park in Bethnal Green...

(Oh, and by the way: Jay Sean="world music"? That's hillarious. It's quite fun watching the terminally unpleasant drown in their own ignorance.)

Little Richardjohn

"There are 101 better ways of fighting racism than this smug left-fest which only exacerbates the problem."

And you can't name one.
When anyone claims that music cures all ills, your jaded analysis will have listeners. But until then, music will carry on doing what it does best, which is to bring people closer together.

Sorry about that, your bitterness will have to find a different place to poison.

Little Richardjohn

This will burst a few bloodvessels.


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